honda0105

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Message Posted: Jun 15, 2012 5:57:58 AM
ccf: yes, demand in India and China has grown over the past few years, but it is slowing down there too. After all, there are worries about China's economy growing no longer in the double digits but slowing under 10%. And the novelty of creeping cars (you don't get to drive b/c there is always major congestion) is wearing off.
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sparky808

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Honolulu
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 1:31:07 PM
Thank you for posting.
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ccf_jeff

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St. Louis
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 11:23:32 AM
To be fair to the refineries or whomever, Martinman, oil prices rose much faster than gas prices in the months leading up to the peak price. The ratio at the very peak between oil prices & gas prices was out of its historical norm.
Not sure of exactly why that was the case, but I think it was mostly due to two factors. One was foreign demand for oil which wasn't dropping as fast in many countries as it was here. Prices were set by some of those governments and were subsidized. Prices on the world market were rising a lot faster than they were in their local economies so people weren't cutting back as much. I think demand had actually been growing in some places.
I've read that the U.S. was also buying oil to continue filling the strategic petroleum reserve despite the very high and rising prices. Apparently our government was also buying into the peak oil theory and were trying to load up before the prices went even higher. I believe China was doing the same.
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Martinman

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Mississippi
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 8:02:06 AM
60% of $147 = 88.40 (price of a barrel of crude oil)
60% of $4.117 = $2.4702 (price of a gallon of gasoline)
$147 per barrel and $4.117 were the peak prices when crude went through the roof in 2008.
With crude oil having been below $88 per barrel for quite some time now, there is no legitimate reason for the national average to be *above* $3-per-gallon, let alone at $3.55 - more than a dollar higher than it should be based upon the "cost" of crude on the spot market.
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remay

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Houston
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 6:49:23 AM
Really???
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DrCashFlow

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Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 5:03:25 AM
Next recession will have officially started either 2q or 3q12
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kgbellman

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Ann Arbor
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 1:46:06 AM
Wish we saw that
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Bonito

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 12:09:33 AM
HAVEN'T SEEN IT AT THE PUMP IN OHIO AND I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WILL EVER CHANGE TILL WE TAKE THE MONEY FROM THE RICH!
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10k

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 12:07:45 AM
"..The average inflation adjusted price of gasoline in 1998 was $1.41 per gallon, versus $3.55 today, a 152% increase in fourteen years."..
does anybody who still has a job have an increase of 152% in their paycheck since bill clinton's last two years ??..
[Edited by: 10k at 6/12/2012 12:08:37 AM EST]
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N5EXY

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Austin
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 12:06:22 AM
Bozama sez the private sector is doing fine. We need more gummint. I thought that was what the 800 billion spendulus was for 3 years ago.
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Vitobug

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El Paso
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 12:05:13 AM
ok
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mcmonsta

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Honolulu
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 12:05:03 AM
so we cannot win either way?
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cokezero

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Philadelphia
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 12:03:58 AM
ok
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joel27nc

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Raleigh
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 12:03:56 AM
Needs to go another $2/gallon drop.
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badspots

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Houston
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 12:02:59 AM
Ok.
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gd83goldwinger

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South Bend
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 12:01:05 AM
Everything gong up but the common man's pay stays the same.
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jem069

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 12:00:45 AM
ok
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CdnLynx

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 12:00:45 AM
Finally using the proper name "Depression". Einsteins
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southrob

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Tucson
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2012 12:00:37 AM
great article...
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monarch57

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British Columbia
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:57:05 PM
And a 0%wage increase since then.
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carloco75

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Richmond
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:54:57 PM
Only...
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GSORIOS

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California
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:51:39 PM
My My What will it take to reduce it by 1 dollar?
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benjy

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:51:05 PM
really...
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suzmar

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Texas
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:49:33 PM
Prices are still high and we have a global depression, not great news for Mr. Obama's re-election hopes.
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sillywagon

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New York
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:48:16 PM
"jobless recovery"
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NemoIL

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:47:22 PM
This is exactly where our dear leader it taking us.
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seeyardee

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Sacramento
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:43:18 PM
Why can't we just admit that we're not out of the recession/depression that started in 2008?
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skyking19

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Little Rock
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:43:14 PM
At some point supply and demand still has an effect.
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BlueberryFocus

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Rochester
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:40:49 PM
Can we just get off of the oil bandwagon now please?
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serrog

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Nova Scotia
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:39:49 PM
Law of the economic jungle
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Eugenian

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Oregon
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:38:07 PM
How depressing.
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iamforiu

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:37:32 PM
ok
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rippertoo

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Tacoma
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:37:28 PM
The never ending story.
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abcdMA

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Worcester
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:36:34 PM
double dip recession on its way!! Summer of Recover, take 3--another failure
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tidalwave3

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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:35:27 PM
clermont40miles is partial correct... Notice the Dollar Index has risen 20 within the year and gov't regulations are being exposed :)
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Blue48

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:27:37 PM
WHATEVER!
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pgerassi

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:24:30 PM
Keep dropping!
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carinthuist

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San Francisco
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:18:30 PM
great about time.
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clermont40miles

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:18:12 PM
It's difficult to believe there are those who think the prices are controlled by supply and demand.
There has been little connection between the two since May 2009. And it has been less connected by far since February, 2011.
Speculation and refineries combine to keep prices artificially bloated to the benefit of all but the retail buyers.
The fleecing continues apace.
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esquared

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:17:16 PM
"...designed to keep the average American sedated...." Yawn....
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feistyfella

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Georgia
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:14:00 PM
Burning
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NedW

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Indianapolis
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:09:49 PM
It's difficult to believe there's still those that think high fuel prices are caused by those "meeanie" ol' speculators.
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clermont40miles

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:08:08 PM
GREEDway spiked today to 3.79. This is not helping!
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DEG

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Las Vegas
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:06:59 PM
Gas prices should be around $2.50/gallon instead of $3.75/gallon.
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blazerbob91

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:06:39 PM
Still not low enough
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jerej829

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Memphis
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:06:29 PM
Whatever it takes.
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wayoung56

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Alabama
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:05:25 PM
I'm still hoping for $2.49 gas...
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bell05

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:04:26 PM
We need ti disband the EIA.
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drz614

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Harrisburg
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:02:00 PM
can't count on elected officials to give a crap about us anymore. no to e15
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Holly123

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Charlotte
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 11:01:25 PM
No big difference in price here either.
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