honda0105

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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 12:32:33 PM
some day they will come in handy, esp. if they're charged by solar.
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kyjlh

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Kentucky
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 7:26:56 PM
Taxpayers will end up paying for them.
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SUPPER

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San Bernardino
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 8:35:05 AM
Ok
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Alaydown

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 2:06:41 AM
Aviator Rob, No fear mongering on mercury from me -- I'm just stating fact. Fear mongering belongs to DemocRATS. My other points on the light bulb are also facts. Unless you buy a CFL, the replacement number is not 7 times (a gross exaggeration by you). New or old CFLs still have long warmup times unless you buy the premium CFLs which take about 30 seconds or so to warm up, and they run hotter. Covered CFLs still take about 3 minutes to warm up. CFLs are also unhealthy because fluorescent light is unhealthy. The DemocRATS should NOT have banned the bulb.
Your justification about the 4mg of mercury in CFLs that gets dumped into landfills is that it is okay because mercury thermometers had more mercury in them??? Mercury thermometers have not been available for sale for about 10 years or more, and they generally last forever unlike CFLs which would be bought in greater numbers per household and end up in landfills. As for coal, that might be a great selling point for tree huggers 10 years ago, but the EPA capped those emissions back then. I find it ironic that greenies try to justify dumping mercury in landfills with such arguments.
It is also ironic how the lefties love to argue about "choice" except when it is NOT THEIR choice. The market should have decided instead of wrongly following the desires of a few special interest groups. No, it is not feasible to stock up on a lifetime supply of bulbs. I never attempted such a thing because I had hoped that this government would return to the sanity it had before the 2007 Congress imposed its mandates. We moved in the right direction in the 2010 elections, and hopefully we will go the rest of the way this November.
As for the story on hybrids, nice try. Your claim is just your assumption for the reason -- not what the study wrote. Polk & Co. who did the study had not researched why only 35% were not repeat buyers. Their data includes many who traded in their hybrids and did not buy another hybrid. Their belief is that it is because of a number of factors such as price and competition. There are many conventional cars that are better and cheaper choices. It takes too many years and miles to justify the expense of a hybrid compared to a conventional car even at $4 per gallon.
[Edited by: Alaydown at 5/7/2012 2:06:56 AM EST]
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10k

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 1:04:28 AM
by the time they build enough charging stations, the EV will be dead..
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TIGERPAW46

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Florida
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:58:52 AM
Doesn't matter due to the short distance and length of even a quick charge. Only way it would work half way is quick charge over a lunch stop then proceed another distance & make sure you only want to travel the max of initial & one charge per day with an hour lunch stop in between.
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Bussman

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Dallas
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:56:56 AM
Ev's are not for me.
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Mr Tex

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Dallas
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:53:42 AM
Need charging stations along the highway, not just in town.
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bobdec

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Miami
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:52:24 AM
Still would never buy an EV
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esquared

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:52:10 AM
Keep installing and we'll talk.
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danreino

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:52:08 AM
I'll give 10 cents for an 8 hour charge.
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idigau22

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Washington
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:47:57 AM
EV? No Thanks!!
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tml721

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Columbus
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:46:57 AM
NOTHING will se t us free from oil importing accept DRILLING OUR OWN. have you ever heard of PLASTIC?? its made from oil! We live in the era of oil and till there's a true substitue we'll never stop using oil in all products.
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pastorpaulcg

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Virginia
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:45:52 AM
I guess those charging stations will be using free electricity
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jkpsr

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:45:03 AM
Technology will set us free of imported oil.
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59glide

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New Haven
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:44:41 AM
How much?
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rhail2

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Kentucky
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:43:45 AM
ok
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TekWare

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Toronto
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:40:04 AM
It's coming, and Big Oil seems to be doing everything they can to help.
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badspots

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Houston
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:40:00 AM
Not!
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joel27nc

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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:39:46 AM
Not for me right now!
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Aviator_Rob

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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:39:31 AM
I've been seeing a lot of posts asking about how long it would take to charge and cost.
There have been a couple of developments on that front. First, the charger. Almost all the new EVs coming to market now have a quick charge option. This will charge an EV from nearly dead to 80% full in 30 minutes and nearly all cars will still have some charge in them when they pull up to the charger.
Now, as for cost. There are some companies that are currently installing these chargers in certain cities and plan to charge a subscription rate of $99 per month. This gives you unlimited charging from any charger in the network. As more chargers are installed, the subscription could become national, kinda like ZipCar.
Another strategy is to install the chargers in front of stores, in order to encourage people to come in and shop. There's word that McDonalds and Starbucks are seriously considering this. You would not be charged for the electricity if you made a purchase, kinda like parking validation.
And of course, municipalities might install chargers and have you pay for the electricity, much like you pay at a parking meter. In any case, I wouldn't expect a driver to pay more than $1.00 for a charge unless they were parked there for hours.
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UncleE

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Columbus
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:38:46 AM
I saw my first Chevy Volt today. How long have they been on the market?
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maryph1958

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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:37:27 AM
ok
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wang91554

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San Jose
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:35:58 AM
ok
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papa56NC

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:35:40 AM
Gid-r-dun then
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miser709

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Grand Rapids
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:34:51 AM
Who can afford a hybrid vehicle?
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nomad228

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Columbus
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:33:29 AM
old and useless infromation for the 99 that cant even afford a electric/hybrid vehicle.
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Rooster922

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Wilmington
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:33:22 AM
set it up.
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hailsupersport

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:31:24 AM
ok
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LCSTEELERBOB

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Gary
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:31:14 AM
clap, clap, clap
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TheeRedRam

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Hartford
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:29:40 AM
Hummmmmmm
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must87searcher

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Maryland
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:28:59 AM
This is still just a small step. The EV and hybrid have a long ways to go before they can meet the advantages with autos powered by fuel combustion engines.
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RoadKing95

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San Jose
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:28:22 AM
PithyOpiner - can you tell me where you find a price of 16,000 to replace a battery pack. What I have seen is more like 3,000. The warranty is 10 years 150,000 miles. I read that Hyundai's is lifetime. I'm thinking we need to call BS on your opine.
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greenfog

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Illinois
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:28:14 AM
yeah, GE has to be in the middle of it!
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GigHarborHound

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Tacoma
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:26:02 AM
Not impressed!!
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Aviator_Rob

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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:25:49 AM
Uhh, libertyut, I don't know where you get your news but Obama isn't coming to take away your V8 engine. You wanna drive a gas car? Great. Nobody's stopping you.
I don't understand why people feel so threatened by this technology. It's like it's the 19th Century and people are afraid that Thomas Edison is going to come in their homes and take away their whale oil lamps and make them get electricity.
Do what you want. Just understand that it's a lot harder to get whale oil nowadays.
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Rageagainsttm

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Tampa
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:25:32 AM
whatever
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megadiesellv

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:25:08 AM
Don't buy electric cars.
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:20:45 AM
Read the whole report, Alaydown. The reason why only 35% of hybrid buyers buy another hybrid is because they are still driving their first hybrid.
There are people driving around in their 1999 2-door Honda Insight's. The hybrid used-car market is the tightest one out there. It's practically non-existent, compared to the rest of the market. Hybrid owners are notorious for holding onto their cars.
Being cheap might have something to do with it. Being able to drive 400 miles on a $40 fill-up at $4.00/gal is a great incentive to keep driving that same car.
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min_fuel

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Philadelphia
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:20:12 AM
Right on libertyut
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EVBuddy

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Nevada
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:20:12 AM
Hopefully we will have Charging Stations at Hotels
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jadeusa

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Dallas
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:19:24 AM
Another cost and time requirement for travel. We Americans are losing more of our freedoms every day.
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tedjm1

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New York
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:19:01 AM
Begin installing the stations. Don't wait until later. This will tell the customer that the industry is 100% behind electric cars.
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Bigwaynef

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:17:23 AM
Look out Mickey D's...
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Matt G

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Boston
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:17:09 AM
Good
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crreed1

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West Virginia
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:16:08 AM
how long to charge
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libertyut

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Utah
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:15:31 AM
Oh goodie do we get to go 60 miles away from our home. Lets see how many charging stations in the United States. How much does it cost and how long to charge. Lets stay with gas until you idiots improve it a whole lot more.
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Aviator_Rob

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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:15:11 AM
I have no need to exaggerate, Alaydown, unlike you with that mercury fear-mongering. A mercury thermometer has more than 100 times the amount of mercury in them and that was seven years ago when the compact florescents first came on the market.
And if you're so concerned about mercury, I hope you understand that one of the largest producers of mercury is the coal industry. You can't separate the mercury that's present within the coal so it just escapes up the smokestack and into the air.
So essentially, by using a product that needs 400% more power to operate than its alternatives, you are actually releasing far more mercury into the environment than if you crushed all the compact florescents in the world and just dumped them in the river.
Also, how much energy do you think is necessary to manufacture the amount of glass to make replacement bulbs that you will need to replace seven times as often? The light bulb plant isn't run on happy thoughts.
And finally, new CFLs don't have a warm up time and you can get them in any color temperature you want, from soft yellow to blinding white light.
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granitestater

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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:15:00 AM
TWO chargers? Does it take five minutes? Is it free? Is every possible parking space going to have a charger?
[Edited by: granitestater at 5/7/2012 12:17:19 AM EST]
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ItsMorph

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Grand Rapids
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:14:56 AM
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